{"id":10585,"date":"2012-01-09T23:40:17","date_gmt":"2012-01-10T03:40:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/?p=10585"},"modified":"2012-01-09T23:40:17","modified_gmt":"2012-01-10T03:40:17","slug":"forumization-and-its-malcontent-3-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/2012\/01\/09\/forumization-and-its-malcontent-3-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Forumization and Its Malcontent (3)"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"A.<\/a>A Challenge Proposed<\/strong><\/p>\n

As noted in\u00a0my previous post<\/a>, in response to my November lecture\u00a0\u201cDinosaur Bones: The End (and Ends) of Photo Criticism,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0Natalie Arriola,\u00a0a participant in an online forum, hijacked the forum thread putatively devoted to discussion of my essay by challenging the entire enterprise of professional-level mainstream photo criticism published in general-audience periodicals. (Ms. Arriola has insisted on identifying herself<\/a>, so I’ll use her name henceforth. To put her comments in context, here are links to her several websites: Natalie Arriola Photography<\/a>, The Hedgehog’s Dilemma<\/a>, Etsy<\/a>, Flickr<\/a>.)<\/p>\n

She commandeered that discussion by making the following assertions and posing the following questions, to each of which I’ve appended a link to the\u00a0logical fallacy it exemplifies:<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a><\/p>\n

“What makes the ‘intellectual’ crowd think they need to guide citizens in their understanding of images?\u00a0[Fallacies:\u00a0Hasty Generalization<\/a>,\u00a0Loaded Words<\/a><\/em>.]<\/em> I think people are fully equipped with or without such guidance to draw their own conclusions and make intelligent decisions. [Fallacies: Hasty Generalization<\/a>, Amphiboly<\/a>.]\u00a0I feel like the sort of theory and criticism we are discussing here belongs now and has always belonged to the esoteric realms of the the [sic] graduate seminar classroom. [Fallacies: Straw Man<\/a>,\u00a0Loaded Words<\/a><\/em>.] . . .\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

<\/em>“I guess I just think that one of the great things about the internet is that anyone can have a voice here. [Fallacies: Appeal to Popularity<\/a>, Vagueness<\/a>.] You don’t have to be inducted into the somewhat cult like world of the ‘educated’ to do so.\u00a0[Fallacies: Loaded Words<\/a>, Ad Hominem<\/a>.]<\/em>\u00a0What makes the opinion of a certain highly informed person more valid than that of someone who is not informed? [Fallacy: Begging the\u00a0Question<\/a>.]\u00a0. . . I do believe that all opinions hold equal weight until someone comes along and says otherwise.\u00a0 That’s kind of my point.<\/em> [Fallacy: Burden of Proof<\/a>.] Here’s a question I don’t think you can dismiss so readily: Do you think it’s possible that there are uninformed opinions out there that may shed light on an image in a way that an informed opinion cannot?”\u00a0[Fallacy: Red Herring<\/a>.]<\/em><\/em><\/p>\n

Doxa vs. Knowledge<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"No<\/a><\/p>\n

Actually, that last is a question that I, and most people I know, would dismiss out of hand, because its function is purely rhetorical: You can neither prove nor disprove your response to it, especially as it’s posed hypothetically, so the answer necessarily falls into the realm of faith rather than reason. Its implicit assumption, however, does synopsize the puer aeternus<\/em>\u00a0aspect of the\u00a0hopes and dreams of the Web 2.0 cohort \u2014 the conviction that when their lips move they’re saying something worth hearing, that when their fingers tap on their keyboards they’re writing\u00a0something worth reading, that when their opposable thumbs are hammering on a cellphone touch screen they’re communicating something worth paying attention to, that “all opinions hold equal weight” (making theirs as credible as anyone’s else’s), and that “it’s possible that there are uninformed opinions out there (namely their own) that may shed light on an image in a way that an informed opinion cannot.”<\/p>\n

\"Red<\/a>The capacity for critical thinking constitutes an acquired skill; it don’t come naturally, though (as Hemingway said, in a much different context) pretty to think so. It’s become rare to encounter an ostensibly educated person who can identify logical fallacies<\/a>,\u00a0or who even cares about them. As the rhetoric of our politicians and the polity’s responses thereto verify continuously, few people nowadays recognize arguments from ignorance, argumentum ad populum, syllogisms, solipsisms, tautologies, “straw man” arguments, red herrings, instances of circular reasoning, argumentum ad hominem \u2014 in almost all of which my opponent in this microcosmic dialogue indulged her sweet tooth, as the above passages demonstrate.<\/p>\n

Ms. Arriola\u00a0had concluded that chapter of her divagation synopsized above by writing, “I can see that I\u2019ve offended you and for that I apologize, but I do think that someone should challenge some of the ideas in your essay.\u201d I replied, “[Y]ou haven’t offended me. You’ve amused me.” Then, respecting the ‘netiquette of the forum, which its moderator had evoked when enabling my invitational access, I continued,<\/p>\n

In re your statement that “I do believe that all opinions hold equal weight until someone comes along and says otherwise. That’s kind of my point.” \u2014 I’ve come along and said otherwise, which doesn’t seem to affect your belief in any way.<\/p>\n

Personally, I give more credence to my opthalmologist’s opinion on the condition of my eyesight that I do to the opinions on that subject of my grocer or my neighbor. I give more credence to Stephen Hawking’s opinion on matters of physics than I do to Newt Gingrich’s. And because I take visual communication and the making of visual art no less seriously than I take opthalmology, or physics, I give more credence to the thoughts thereon of people like W. J. T. Mitchell and Eva Kuryluk, to name just two, than I do to whatever notions on those subjects Joe the Plumber may have. . . .<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>You ask, “Here’s a question I don’t think you can dismiss so readily: Do you think it’s possible that there are uninformed opinions out there that may shed light on an image in a way that an informed opinion cannot?” Given an infinite universe anything’s possible, of course, so the question doesn’t have as much resonance as you imply it does.<\/p>\n

My suggestion: Let’s make it a real challenge, so you can actually prove your point. You gather a bunch of those “uninformed opinions out there that may shed light on an image in a way that an informed opinion cannot” — let’s say 25 or so, with their sources (so this group can ascertain the context, and verify the credentials of the opinionators as authentically uninformed).<\/p>\n

Since part of your question involves informed opinions failing to shed light on some aspect of the images, you’ll have to pick uninformed opinions about images to which people with informed opinions have also responded; that will narrow the range of image choices considerably, making it more manageable. I’ll then undertake to look for informed opinions about those same images, vetting them for equivalent insights. We’ll then put the results up to this group for a vote (you and I abstaining, of course). What say you?<\/p>\n

A Challenge Declined<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>This seemed to me a reasonable proposal, one that would require an equal amount of labor from both of us in Ms. Arriola\u00a0proving her point\u00a0and me trying to disprove it,\u00a0placing our resulting efforts in front of an impartial jury (including a number of professionals in the field)\u00a0for evaluation. How better to engage with the question of what makes the opinion of a person who’s knowledgeable about a given subject more valid than that of someone who doesn’t know shit from Shinola about it than by putting it to the test?<\/p>\n

Ms. Arriola\u00a0would have none of it, however:<\/p>\n

“I . . . think it’s sad that the only way you can really defend yourself against me is to try to make me appear foolish or ‘amusing.’ . . .\u00a0I’m afraid I won’t take you up on your challenge because I don’t feel the need to prove myself to you. I think what you have proven to me is that what I suspected as I was reading statements in your essay such as: ‘I realize that this is what passes for thoughtful opinionation, nuanced argument, and scathing rebuttal amongst the cohort I think of as Generation Tweetie’ is true. You are an aging elitist who is trying to proclaim that the reason what you have spent your life doing is no longer relevant has nothing to do with the fact that maybe the world really doesn’t need you anymore, but is obviously due to the decline of contemporary culture.”<\/em><\/p>\n

So much for Ms. Arriola’s\u00a0ostensible interest in serious inquiry and thought experiment. Another missed opportunity to add to the storehouse of human knowledge. Alas.<\/p>\n

(To be continued.<\/a>)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

This challenge seemed to me a reasonable proposal, one that would require an equal amount of labor from both of us in her proving her point and me trying to disprove it, placing our resulting efforts in front of an impartial professional jury for evaluation. How better to engage with the question of what makes the opinion of a person who’s knowledgeable about a given subject more valid than that of someone who doesn’t know shit from Shinola about it than by putting it to the test? My interrogator would have none of it, however . . . […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"nf_dc_page":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[278,363,384,520],"class_list":["post-10585","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-digital-life","tag-knowing-shit-from-shinola","tag-natalie-arriola","tag-online-forums","tag-threadjacking","odd"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10585","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=10585"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10585\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=10585"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=10585"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nearbycafe.com\/artandphoto\/photocritic\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=10585"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}